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05.26.05 09:09 AM

this goes out to all the baby's mamas

have you heard the debate over fantasia barrino's song "baby mama?" as someone who was a young mother herself, fantasia intended for the song to empower young women who get pregnant early in life, and end up raising their children on their own. for the singer, the song's message had nothing to do with encouraging teen pregnancy.

as the debate rages on - whether the song is positive or negative — first become informed about it over at npr, where an interview with fantasia and both the opponents and proponents of the song can be heard, and then think about participating in this very out-of-hand live journal debate

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Yeah, I kind of took the song as if they were proud of it... It's a sad situation... I went to a Cinco De Mayo celebration and cats were selling t-shirts that said "Someone's baby's daddy"... like it's a good thing to have children out of wedlock and not be with your child's mother... or father... it's a sad state of affairs in our country...

posted by Qubian "Q" Salazar-Moreno | May 26, 2005 1:32 PM #

That song alone turned me off from buying Fantasia's album. I thought it was a tad bit on the tacky side. I was like "The audacity of this chick to suggest that a baby mama deserves a plaque because she's a mother. What the hell kind of isht is this?" I agree with Q, nowadays it is considered cool to have children without being married or to have kids when you're in your teens. It really is sad.

But then again...my meaning of a "baby mama" is negative. It's made to be so negative in our culture and I guess that I've picked up on that negativity. I don't want to be a Baby Mama. It sounds so ghetto. I want to be someone's mother. I want to be a wife. If not a wife, then I'll be a single mother. I never want to be referred to as "My baby mama" and I never want to call the father of my child "my baby daddy"...God that even sounds bad. Remember that song? "Who dat is? My baby daddy. Dat's just my baby daddy." God...help us all.

So needless to say...Fantasia gets 4 thumbs down (that includes my 2 big toes) for that song.

posted by Timi [TypeKey Profile Page] | May 26, 2005 5:01 PM #

I wrote about this when I heard there was a debate raging on. I'm kind of ambivalent about the song, but appreciate her sentiment. Sometimes being a single parent sucks, especially with the attitudes projected on me about poverty, welfare, responsibility and the like.

And on to the shameless blog-whoring:
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2005/03/25/baby-mama/

One would have thought that Dan Quayle's Murphy Brown meme would have died out by now. Apparently not.

posted by Lauren | May 27, 2005 3:04 AM #

I'm trying to post this again because I don't think it went through the first time. Let's see...

I wrote about this when I heard there was a debate raging on. I'm kind of ambivalent about the song, but appreciate her sentiment. Sometimes being a single parent sucks, especially with the attitudes projected on me about poverty, welfare, responsibility and the like.

One would have thought that Dan Quayle's Murphy Brown meme would have died out by now. Apparently not. People become single parents in all kinds of ways and I think it's silly to try and categorize these ways, especially when doing so shames a parent who is just trying to get by.

posted by Lauren | May 27, 2005 3:07 AM #

I don't feel that the song promotes teen pregnancy. It doesn't necessarily just mean mothers who are teenagers. It's just giving props to women who are raising their kids alone as best they can and if people can't see that, they're

If a young girl listens to Fantasia's song and thinks "hey, i should get pregnant because fantasia's got a song out", that's flawed parenting on her mother and father's part.

posted by Shavonn [TypeKey Profile Page] | May 28, 2005 12:03 AM #

I would hope that men hearing this song would be inspired to be better fathers to their children. Maybe even better brothers to their sisters - I mean, if we truly are talking about teen pregnancy, babies don't happen magically the one day you decide to not look after your baby sisters. Or nieces. Or daughters. Like men don't know other men. I don't know, it just seems like people want to place blame to avoid the real truth - all these children are our children.

Kudos for Fantasia for singing a song about her experience. People should leave her the fuck alone and find the courage to sing and write about their own lives. You can't knock her for telling her story and trying to inspire and uplift other women who, for whatever reason (and at whatever age), are raising new people into the world alone - without the help of the men who assisted them with bringing these new lives here.

posted by Donald [TypeKey Profile Page] | May 30, 2005 2:17 PM #

thank you donald.

posted by lynne [TypeKey Profile Page] | May 30, 2005 3:07 PM #

I'm kind of late to the party, but I'm a big Fantasia fan. American Idol is my guilty pleasure, and she is by far the most talented passionate artists they have ever had on their stage. She is the ONLY one who didn't seem like she was lining up for the pop star assembly line to be packaged and pre-formed.

Talking about her authentic experience, struggles and overcoming of obstacles was part of her reality even from the early weeks on that show, but always with grace and always with the message to others that they too could overcome obstacles. The HATE that was spewed toward her during the show and now over this is appalling.

The song's message is "hang in there, be strong, you're still a good person."

Yeah...that's just terrible.

posted by Elisa Camahort | June 3, 2005 9:58 AM #

FIRST OF ALL WE ARE ALL ADULTS HERE AND I'M QUITE SURE THAT ANYONE WITH SOME SENCE WOULD KNOW THAT THE SONG IS NOT ABOUT PROMOTING TEEN PREGNANCY BUT A MERE WAY OF LETTING YOUNG WOMEN IN PARTICULAR KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE A BABY MAMA FROM EXSPERIENCE TO KEEP YOUR HEAD UP THAT IT MAY BE DOWN AND OUT IN THE BEGINNING BUT IN THE END YOU WILL SEE ITS NOT THAT BAD , AND A SHOUT OUT TO ALL THE BABY MOTHERS BECAUSE PLEASE BELEIVE AT THE TIME OF CONSUMPTION IF WE WOULD KNOW HALF THE SHIT ABOUT OUR BABYS FATHERS IN THE BEGINNING WE PROABLLY WOULD NOT HAVE MADE IT TO BE THEIR BABYS MOTHER SO ALL IN ALL SHE'S JUST SAYING IT WILL BE HARD IF YOUR'RE DOING IT ALONE BUT IN DUE TIME AND EFFORT ON YOUR BEHALF THINGS WILL GET BETTER AND NOT TO GIVE UP GOD BLESS YOLINDA K BERRY

posted by Yolinda | June 9, 2005 8:35 PM #

baby momma is a song that i can rekate to. that song is the truth of not onlt young but older mothers too. but i've always had a strong back bone and that song just reminded me of why iyou cant depend on a man. And since i had my son i've took care of him all by myself its hard but possilbe

posted by Mahalia Brown | January 25, 2006 3:57 PM #

This all boils down to racism, classism, and it makes the judgmental haters downright uncomfortable to know that a young,black single mother may motivate others to work hard to achieve your goals. My who would they look down upon?

posted by Carolyn | August 20, 2006 12:05 AM #

i dont think the song was negative at all. its teachin young moms real life. she lettin them knw if u do wind up pregnant and yo baby daddy aint gone be there basiclly jus keep yo head up. i really took at positive. lulas(luv u like a sis) fantasia

posted by shymika | July 9, 2007 1:15 PM #

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