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01.11.05 07:01 PM

that greg tate piece

ambivalentsins (6:25:29 PM): why is everybody talking about this greg tate piece?

lynneluvah (6:30:48 PM): hee hee

lynneluvah (6:30:55 PM): i was about to put up my post about it too

lynneluvah (6:30:58 PM): i just haven't had time

lynneluvah (6:31:01 PM): have you read it

ambivalentsins (6:31:20 PM): yeah....i think i've been asked to write my opinion about it on my site

lynneluvah (6:31:42 PM): i'm gonna

ambivalentsins (6:31:45 PM): my only problem with articles like this is...

lynneluvah (6:31:45 PM): join the fray

lynneluvah (6:31:56 PM): i studied him

ambivalentsins (6:31:58 PM): why are all this educated people looking to hip hop for solutions ? lol

lynneluvah (6:32:01 PM): when i was learning to be a journalist

lynneluvah (6:32:09 PM): but they're not

lynneluvah (6:32:15 PM): i think that's the point folks miss

lynneluvah (6:32:21 PM): see to really old heads

lynneluvah (6:32:26 PM): hip hop is not just this industry

lynneluvah (6:32:28 PM): it was a culute

lynneluvah (6:32:30 PM): culture

lynneluvah (6:32:35 PM): like the cover of the

lynneluvah (6:32:38 PM): voice said

lynneluvah (6:32:41 PM): folk art

lynneluvah (6:32:42 PM): whatever

lynneluvah (6:32:45 PM): and usually folks art

ambivalentsins (6:32:48 PM): right..

lynneluvah (6:32:53 PM): is involved in political stances

lynneluvah (6:32:55 PM): change

lynneluvah (6:32:56 PM): etc

lynneluvah (6:33:02 PM): if you look around the world

lynneluvah (6:33:07 PM): i think the angle also is that

lynneluvah (6:33:16 PM): since it's a multibillion industry

lynneluvah (6:33:19 PM): and has so much clout

lynneluvah (6:33:28 PM): y r the folks who've come up in the industry

lynneluvah (6:33:34 PM): not doing more for the af am community overall

lynneluvah (6:33:39 PM): not specifically the music

ambivalentsins (6:33:42 PM): right....however....

lynneluvah (6:33:58 PM): u know i'ma post this convo

lynneluvah (6:34:02 PM): so say what you mean

lynneluvah (6:34:11 PM): this is the easiest way for me to get my opinions out about this

lynneluvah (6:35:00 PM): where'd u go

lynneluvah (6:35:04 PM): i want the however

ambivalentsins (6:35:05 PM): if you look at run dmc's first 12...it was "it's like that" on one side, and "sucka mc's" on the other.....one is a social record..the other is a party record..i think the two have always existed simultaneously in hip hop..only now..that hip hop is pop..........

lynneluvah (6:35:14 PM): oh yes

lynneluvah (6:35:17 PM): balance

lynneluvah (6:35:24 PM): but balance is lacking nowadays

lynneluvah (6:35:29 PM): in the music itself

ambivalentsins (6:35:35 PM): have the records all seemed to slant to the party side...because...that's what white america aka..the record buyers want to hear

lynneluvah (6:36:10 PM): and in the images that the purveyors of the culture

lynneluvah (6:36:12 PM): push to the fore

lynneluvah (6:36:18 PM): nah

lynneluvah (6:36:22 PM): i wouldn't say that

ambivalentsins (6:36:22 PM): what i know is...white america is not so fascinated with our struggle as they are our style

lynneluvah (6:36:28 PM): oh of course

lynneluvah (6:36:33 PM): have you ever read leroi jones

ambivalentsins (6:36:38 PM): yeah

lynneluvah (6:36:39 PM): amiri baraka's blues people

ambivalentsins (6:36:45 PM): right

lynneluvah (6:36:47 PM): the same things about jazz in there

lynneluvah (6:36:49 PM): and the style

lynneluvah (6:37:04 PM): but why is is that we always gotta take that to the x degree

lynneluvah (6:37:06 PM): ?

lynneluvah (6:37:18 PM): it's almost as if slavery has taught us nothing

ambivalentsins (6:37:19 PM): hmmm

lynneluvah (6:37:23 PM): now i'm all for shaking my ass

lynneluvah (6:37:27 PM): don't get me wrong

lynneluvah (6:37:36 PM): but again if this is a multibillion dollar industry

lynneluvah (6:37:46 PM): and black men make a lot of the decisiions in this game now

lynneluvah (6:37:52 PM): though there is still the white aspect

lynneluvah (6:38:04 PM): could not more be done for urban plight overall

lynneluvah (6:38:07 PM): not in the music

lynneluvah (6:38:09 PM): but in general

lynneluvah (6:38:13 PM): or do i have to accept this as

lynneluvah (6:38:20 PM): class division

ambivalentsins (6:38:20 PM): i think when people are disenfrachised so long....at some point...it's like the movie "bamboozled"...they knew what they were doing was wrong...but wrong didn't outweight their poverty..so they put the tap shoes on and danced

ambivalentsins (6:38:29 PM): ding ding ding

lynneluvah (6:38:30 PM): oh of course

lynneluvah (6:38:41 PM): so what have you seen people saying

lynneluvah (6:38:44 PM): i saw jason post

lynneluvah (6:38:48 PM): and he linked to folks

lynneluvah (6:39:00 PM): i saw hashim and jay and jeff chang and oliver wang

ambivalentsins (6:39:12 PM): yeah, i read all of those too

lynneluvah (6:39:18 PM): i know hashim said greg tate is an old man

lynneluvah (6:39:22 PM): and i didn't get that angle

lynneluvah (6:39:24 PM): did you

ambivalentsins (6:39:26 PM): nah

lynneluvah (6:39:36 PM): so are you gonna post about it

lynneluvah (6:39:44 PM): this will be a never ending discussion though

ambivalentsins (6:39:45 PM): yeah, i think i will

lynneluvah (6:39:50 PM): i think i will too

ambivalentsins (6:39:51 PM): lol right...

lynneluvah (6:39:55 PM): but this will be my entry point

lynneluvah (6:40:01 PM): til i can sort out my thoughts more

ambivalentsins (6:40:03 PM): i'm just not with people who romantize the golden years

lynneluvah (6:40:13 PM): oh

lynneluvah (6:40:15 PM): and i hear that

ambivalentsins (6:40:18 PM): scott la rock got shot in the golden years

ambivalentsins (6:40:22 PM): so did tee la rock

lynneluvah (6:40:24 PM): there was a lot of party and bullshit back then

lynneluvah (6:40:28 PM): but do remember

lynneluvah (6:40:37 PM): that bam started these break dance comps

lynneluvah (6:40:44 PM): to try and end real battles in the streets

lynneluvah (6:40:47 PM): replacing them with dance

lynneluvah (6:40:59 PM): and do remember that melle mel's the message came out of that era

lynneluvah (6:41:08 PM): although all those cats were caught up in cocaine at the time

ambivalentsins (6:41:09 PM): oh..no doubt...

lynneluvah (6:41:14 PM): but again

lynneluvah (6:41:22 PM): i don't think people are just talking about the music

lynneluvah (6:41:26 PM): when they say hip hop

lynneluvah (6:41:31 PM): they are talking about a larger thing

lynneluvah (6:41:34 PM): regardless

ambivalentsins (6:41:37 PM): yes...

lynneluvah (6:41:39 PM): we are hip hop

lynneluvah (6:41:41 PM): u and i

lynneluvah (6:41:44 PM): like it or not

ambivalentsins (6:41:47 PM): the larger thing is always over looked though

lynneluvah (6:41:49 PM): it's what era we came up in

ambivalentsins (6:41:50 PM): yes..we are

lynneluvah (6:41:54 PM): the work we do a product of it

lynneluvah (6:41:56 PM): to an extent

ambivalentsins (6:42:03 PM): but...we're also BLACK

lynneluvah (6:42:07 PM): sactly

lynneluvah (6:42:17 PM): i think you're going where i am

ambivalentsins (6:42:19 PM): and somehow.....hip hop and the black thing....are trying to be.....seperated

ambivalentsins (6:42:26 PM): slowly

ambivalentsins (6:42:30 PM): corporately

lynneluvah (6:42:37 PM): whoa yeah

ambivalentsins (6:43:02 PM): it's like one day, some white kid is going to stand up and say hip hop is MINE....see the blues

lynneluvah (6:43:03 PM): yeah see i ain't mad at the capitlization and corportation of hip hop

lynneluvah (6:43:13 PM): corpratization

lynneluvah (6:43:18 PM): damn cant spell

lynneluvah (6:43:23 PM): thats not what i'm mad at

lynneluvah (6:43:31 PM): cuz lots of folks got to eat off of that

lynneluvah (6:43:38 PM): but we're not pimipin it

ambivalentsins (6:43:40 PM): no doubt.. i'm all for eating lol

lynneluvah (6:43:41 PM): someone else is

ambivalentsins (6:43:45 PM): right

lynneluvah (6:44:01 PM): and to play on that pimp thing

lynneluvah (6:44:12 PM): the movie you mentioned

lynneluvah (6:44:20 PM): the blaxploitation of the 70s in film

lynneluvah (6:44:33 PM): america loves a black funny man, pimp, drug dealer

lynneluvah (6:44:37 PM): just outlaw in general

lynneluvah (6:44:41 PM): as the main image

lynneluvah (6:44:45 PM): of well blackness

lynneluvah (6:44:51 PM): and when i say america i do not mean you or me

ambivalentsins (6:45:16 PM): i think the best quote i heard is....."how is that a corporation can make an artist sign a record contract, take total control over his image...but then act as though they have no power over influencing the direction he takes the lyrics" - krs one

lynneluvah (6:45:29 PM): word

ambivalentsins (6:45:40 PM): i mean, there it is in a nutshell

ambivalentsins (6:47:01 PM): what scares me most though, is the apathetic attitude hip hop listeners have..."hip hop is dead...nothing is good anymore.....nodoby's saying anything anymore".....i hear it waaay too much...

lynneluvah (6:47:16 PM): but again

ambivalentsins (6:47:19 PM): without it..would we really be celebrating kanye as a rapper?

lynneluvah (6:47:23 PM): that's an old heads vs new heads thing

lynneluvah (6:47:30 PM): cuz when you ask my 14 yr old niece

lynneluvah (6:47:35 PM): she'll tell you hip hop is banging

lynneluvah (6:47:53 PM): there's a class thing going on here

ambivalentsins (6:47:55 PM): lol my 18 year old cuz'n called snoop dogg old skool..i fell out

lynneluvah (6:47:56 PM): a race thing

lynneluvah (6:48:08 PM): and a generational thing

lynneluvah (6:48:20 PM): yeah my niece calls a couple of folx old skool that trips me out

ambivalentsins (6:48:20 PM): yes...and it's happened before

ambivalentsins (6:49:08 PM): the bad thing is...the kids today, have no teenager producing any classics...that scares me

ambivalentsins (6:49:40 PM): rakim had a classic under his belt at 16...nas at 19....krs-one at 19......

ambivalentsins (6:50:19 PM): they were brought up on good music, and it was easier for them to produce good music themselves....kids today are simply imitation hip hop's worst parts

ambivalentsins (6:50:22 PM): *shrugs*

lynneluvah (6:50:52 PM): hmm

lynneluvah (6:50:54 PM): let's see

lynneluvah (6:51:04 PM): can't say TI made a classic yet

lynneluvah (6:51:07 PM): yep you would be right

ambivalentsins (6:51:16 PM): i mean, think teenager

ambivalentsins (6:51:19 PM): there are none

lynneluvah (6:51:21 PM): cuz that's the only artist that comes close in these young cats

lynneluvah (6:51:25 PM): no that j kwon kid

lynneluvah (6:51:27 PM): what tipsy

lynneluvah (6:51:32 PM): hmmm

lynneluvah (6:51:44 PM): i can't think of any younger than...'

lynneluvah (6:51:45 PM): damn

ambivalentsins (6:52:12 PM): i listened to special ed's first album recently...and when i remembered he was only 16...i was blown away

ambivalentsins (6:52:29 PM): back in the day....the art form, was truly embraced by the kids...

lynneluvah (6:53:09 PM): word

lynneluvah (6:53:12 PM): you speak truth

lynneluvah (6:53:15 PM): no doubt

ambivalentsins (6:53:20 PM): now...the baller lifestyle is imitated...u don't see little girls dancing in the street doing the entire routines they saw on a video

ambivalentsins (6:53:31 PM): that shit used to be norm

lynneluvah (6:53:53 PM): hmm...

lynneluvah (6:53:55 PM): actually i do

ambivalentsins (6:53:57 PM): 4th graders with rhyme books....used to be norm...nobody wants to be a great emce..everybody just want to be rich

lynneluvah (6:54:05 PM): but i don't know if you want to see the lil girls doing the dances i see them doing

ambivalentsins (6:54:11 PM): lol

lynneluvah (6:54:11 PM): word

lynneluvah (6:54:14 PM): i had my rhyme book

ambivalentsins (6:54:15 PM): u stoopic

ambivalentsins (6:54:18 PM): stoopid

lynneluvah (6:54:20 PM): nah for real

lynneluvah (6:54:23 PM): the lil girls

lynneluvah (6:54:30 PM): i mean there have always been video hos

lynneluvah (6:54:37 PM): and u know the luke era

ambivalentsins (6:54:42 PM): right

lynneluvah (6:54:43 PM): but these vids today

lynneluvah (6:54:50 PM): thin line btwn them and porn

ambivalentsins (6:54:55 PM): hmmm....

lynneluvah (6:54:56 PM): though some i think are artistic

lynneluvah (6:55:00 PM): and i ain't hatin

lynneluvah (6:55:03 PM): come on

lynneluvah (6:55:05 PM): tip drill

lynneluvah (6:55:12 PM): and other stuff on uncut

lynneluvah (6:56:03 PM): the videos with the models i'm not talking about

ambivalentsins (6:56:07 PM): when i was 18..my old dude asked me what i wanted to do when i got older...and i said..."get paid".....he then reminded me there is no job called "getting paid".....and i think hip hop needs to be reminded about cultivating the talent, and getting your skills up..and if you do that, at anything, you will get paid

lynneluvah (6:56:14 PM): i have nothing against melyssa and that ilk

lynneluvah (6:56:27 PM): yeah

lynneluvah (6:56:36 PM): but instead we have a lot of mediocre talent out there

lynneluvah (6:56:48 PM): lately i been thinking about writing a post called why i hate hip hop journalists

lynneluvah (6:56:54 PM): so much mediocrity out there

ambivalentsins (6:56:58 PM): and it's not just about emceeing...we need more hip hop writers, photographers, etc

lynneluvah (6:57:03 PM): oh word

ambivalentsins (6:57:34 PM): the whole shit i think is being....compromised...yeah, that's the word, compromised

lynneluvah (6:58:05 PM): yeah

lynneluvah (6:58:10 PM): it's cyclical though

lynneluvah (6:58:13 PM): think about it

lynneluvah (6:58:20 PM): like why there is no real R&B today

lynneluvah (6:58:27 PM): and that happened even before hip hop

ambivalentsins (6:58:31 PM): imagine this....50 cent finishes a recod..and jimmy iovine, a middle aged white dude walks in a room and says..not gangsta enough..not that's compromising lol

lynneluvah (6:58:34 PM): it's b/c of the pop direction

lynneluvah (6:58:44 PM): lol

ambivalentsins (6:58:52 PM): r&b wanted to be hip hop

lynneluvah (6:58:56 PM): yeah

lynneluvah (6:58:57 PM): and pop

lynneluvah (6:59:08 PM): michael jackson coulda been the biggest r&b star

lynneluvah (6:59:14 PM): what happened?

lynneluvah (6:59:19 PM): other than you know ...

ambivalentsins (6:59:21 PM): true

ambivalentsins (6:59:39 PM): well, and prince just wanted to be a musician...so that fucked that up lol

lynneluvah (6:59:45 PM): lol

lynneluvah (6:59:46 PM): playa

ambivalentsins (6:59:51 PM): and sade only wanted to release every 7 years lol

lynneluvah (6:59:54 PM): i gotta rest my head on this for today

lynneluvah (6:59:57 PM): you getting silly

ambivalentsins (7:00:00 PM): lol okay

lynneluvah (7:00:02 PM): when you putting up your post

lynneluvah (7:00:04 PM): ?

ambivalentsins (7:00:08 PM): late tonight

lynneluvah (7:00:10 PM): k

lynneluvah (7:00:17 PM): well i'll put this up today

ambivalentsins (7:00:20 PM): gotta think on it

lynneluvah (7:00:29 PM): and i'll move to part II when i actually know what i wanna say

lynneluvah (7:00:32 PM): so if i put this up

lynneluvah (7:00:35 PM): it's gonna make you speak

lynneluvah (7:00:37 PM): really soon

ambivalentsins (7:00:40 PM): lol

ambivalentsins (7:00:48 PM): k

lynneluvah (7:00:57 PM): i'm for real

lynneluvah (7:01:02 PM): i am not editing out a thing

lynneluvah (7:01:04 PM): word for word

ambivalentsins (7:01:10 PM): k

lynneluvah (7:01:13 PM): and we're both gonna have to come with the realness

ambivalentsins (7:01:21 PM): bet!

ambivalentsins (7:01:27 PM): *gets in b-boy stance*

lynneluvah (7:01:30 PM): lol

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